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Interview with: Ashley Dayour
Conducted by: T.V.
One of the most significant names inside the gothic rock scene of today and Austrian longest living gothic/post-punk band Whispers In The Shadow have returned after four long years since their masterpiece Beyond The Cycles Of Time, and after a lot of uncertainty about what will be the future for them. There were also rumours spreading that Whispers In The Shadow will be put on an indefinite hiatus or even that everything will be over. But at the end of last year, the rumours were shut down as the band announced a new album and around one month ago, exactly on 13th April, Whispers In The Shadow came back victorious with a new release, their ninth full-length already, The Urgency Of Now, released by the mighty German gothic rock label Solar Lodge. If the band was deeply rooted in the mystical occult gothic rock on their previous four albums which formed a cycle that started in 2008 with their fifth album Into The Arms Of Chaos, followed in 2010 by The Eternal Arcane, then all goth rockers kneeled down in 2012 in front of The Rites Of Passage and in 2014 one of the most intriguing, complete, obscure and important spells hes been casted - Beyond The Cycles Of Time, now the things are turned upside down and those who were expecting to get another dose of gothic rock extravaganza were quite wrong, Whispers In The Shadow on their new offering serve with their most raw and dirty politically engaged pust-punk that you could imagine. They went that far that even a new font, logo, new cover artwork style were created. Ok, The Urgency Of Now has still many typical characteristics that are unmistakable their own, also some moody mystical and quite atmospheric tracks can be found, but the whole thing offers a different sonic experience. This is an album deeply rooted in the here and now, an album that could only have been written during the last year. Whispers In The Shadow are now on the crossroads, like the humanity is right now, and why not making an album that is raw, direct, without keyboards and almost without atmospheric sounds, the music provides the soil for the on point and almost uncomfortable urgent lyrics. I had to ask the bands charismatic leader Ashley Dayour about the new direction, about lyrics, about his point of view on the current situation in the world, about future plans and many other things which can be discovered in this very interesting interview.
T.V.: First of all congratulation for a new album, The Urgency Of Now! Tell me, how are you satisfied with, as it marks a new era for the band after the four-album cycle that ended in 2014 with Beyond The Cycles Of Time?
Ashley: Thank you. It was indeed not an easy task. I even thought about ending the band a couple of times. It was clear to me that, if we wanted to continue, we’d have to find new ways. It took some time to find the right direction though, and I was starting over a couple of times. I’ve thrown away a lot of songs because I wasn’t happy with the direction, everything sounded like a rehash of things we did before. So, this album was indeed a long way coming. Now, with the first reviews in, and they are absolutely raving, even speaking of the best Whispers In The Shadow album there is, I begin to believe this might indeed be one of the better albums we did. We (me and Martin Acid) produced, recorded and mixed the album ourselves, so that was also a totally new approach, and we had to find our own way of getting it done. I think in the end this was the right thing to do. To take all matters in our own hands. With this personal and political album that was the right and logical thing to do.
T.V: Soundwise The Urgency Of Now is quite different to your previous albums. It's more direct, raw, straight and less mystical. Why such a change in your sound?
Ashley: We did four albums that were interconnected with occult/magical themes. A four-album concept that took seven years to complete. Everything was said and done in that department. The simplest answer however is not to bore ourselves to death. Our sound became very safe, we made ourselves at home with that kind of song writing, that kind of sound. So obviously if something like this happens you need to leave your comfort zone, sail to different shores. Art that feels safe is lazy art in my point of view. And as I said I began to feel very safe with what we’ve become. But don’t get me wrong! I absolutely love these four albums, but it was time for a change.
T.V.: Like you already said the album deals with political themes and gives quite a strong message. Can you tell me a bit more about the lyrical topics?
Ashley: On one hand they are indeed political driven but, and this is very important to point out, they are not meant to tell people what to do. This album is meant as a mirror one can look into. It is an observation of our times. But beware, you might not like what you see when you look close enough. I’m not just criticising other people here, I’m also warning myself. There are also a couple of songs which are more personal, like “Scavengers Of Time” which deals with the younger days of the band. “Morning Falls” is about the loss of a close person. So, you have these two poles, a somehow political observation of our times and a couple of very personal songs.
T.V.: As well the album title, The Urgency Of Now, together with a very interesting and meaningful front cover artwork tells a lot. What actually is in your opinion this urgency of this very time?
Ashley: I’m very happy with how the artwork turned out. I would even go so far to say that this might even be our best cover yet. The picture is from an Austrian photographer Maria Wagner and I knew that there could be no better way to portray this record. Gerhard Simader, our long time graphic designer also did a fantastic job with the whole design plus the new logo. I also wanted to have a complete new look for the band, and like the music itself it is more stripped down and simple. Same goes for the video clips by the way, which are again done by Edie Calie. They also portray a very different band and style. It was important to me that everything, from the music, to the artwork to the band photography to the video clips goes hand in hand and makes total sense. I think we exactly did that. About “the Urgency”, well if you turn on the TV, or open a newspaper the urgency is kind of obvious. We are standing at the crossroads and what is going to happen in the next five to ten years will determine the course of history in ways we can’t even begin to image. So, the question is, do we give in to all this hate and fear mongering, do we really want to take two steps back or do we stay human, do we choose life, do we choose a better future, are we embracing change. I’m not sure if it isn’t too late for that, but the urgency is kind of clear I think.
T.V.: Can you be a bit more specific about your political views at this point? Many strange things are going on the world right now and I’m wondering what’s your personal point of view?
Ashley: As I was saying, we are living at the crossroads. The Problem I see is that the powers that be are not handling the situation very well. Capitalism is doomed, that is not a secret anymore, but there is no other system at hand at the moment. This is a good time for hate and fear mongering and the populist of the world know that. The pied pipers of the world are on the march again. It is upon each and everyone of us not to give in to exactly that, hate and fear. The detractors and rat kings promise us simple answers to very difficult questions. Questions nobody has the answers to, actually. So, it is upon each and everyone of us to decide what future we would like to live in? Should it be a future ruled by fear, hate, racism? Or do we choose life? Foremost I am a humanist, I value life, every life it doesn’t matter which religion, colour, profession. I also despite pure capitalism, it still tires me that the only thing that really spins the wheel is profit. I also believe that the strong have to care for the weak. Survival of the fittest is for animals! But maybe after all that is what we basically really are. But one can still hope.
sides. The most important thing is to stay human and not to forget, these are actual human beings. Like you and me. They maybe talk different, behave different, look different, nevertheless these are people we are talking about here. Again, I think the strong have to care for the weak. Because what is the solution? Shoot them at the boarder? Besides all is no surprise. The west is living on the shoulders of these people for a very, very long time. Well now it’s payday. Let’s make the best of it and make it with compassion.
T.V.: Were you recording the new album in the same studio as your previous album? Can you tell a bit more how the whole recording process went?
Ashley: We didn't shoot a video for the previous album simply because we didn't come up with a concept that was possible and worth it. So rather instead of making a mediocre video nobody is satisfied with we decided against it. Which in retrospect wasn't a very clever move. I wish we would have done one anyway, but that's how it is sometimes... A lot of the ideas for the clips come from director Edie Calie. She’s also responsible for the The Devil & The Universe videos. The process is simple, I give her the songs I have in mind for the videos very early on (in the demo stage), and then she comes up with a concept and an idea. Then we sit down and talk about how we can get there. If you are interested I would like to point you to a blog post of her, there she talks about the ideas behind each of the new clips. It’s worth the read: https://www.ediecalie.at/blog/was-ich-mir-dabei-gedacht-habe/
Ashley: Indeed, a difficult one, it's like asking parents which one of their children is the favourite, which of course everyone has a favourite, haha. I’m honest enough to answer that question. "Detractors" might be the one. Lyric wise it has everything this album is about in one song, I consider it one of the best lyrics I ever wrote. Music wise it turned out exactly like I wanted it to be. And it is going to be great to play that one on stage. "Exit-Gardens" has to be number two though.
T.V.: It’s interesting to see that after many years we see Ashley Dayour without the characteristic hat that you were wearing. Is this some kind of a symbolism as well?Whispers In The Shadow line-up:
Ashley Dayour - vocals, guitar, programming
Fork - bass guitar
Martin Acid - keyboards
Alex Kühmayer - drums
Lazy Schulz - guitar
Whispers In The Shadow links: Official website, Facebook, YouTube, Solar Lodge
Photo credits: Maria Wagner